If I’m not willing to stick my neck out to help you when they come to take you away, who the hell will be left to do the same for me when it’s my turn?
Sure, you’re absolutely right. Be the change you want to see in the world and all…
But you fail to tell me HOW i am supposed to help your ass not being taken by ICE? Shoot the whole bunch that came to get you? (i assume those fuckers never come alone). And then other cops will take me for doing that after you are already gone?
Threaten them with a gun will probably get ME killed. So what good does a gun do to anyone in that scenario?
The problem is that the 1/3 of americans who are actually opposed to this country being a fascist dictatorship are disorganized and scattered. You’re right, one or two or three guys with guns won’t accomplish much. Others in this thread have commented “where’s your militia?” or something like that, and it’s about time we make one.
I cannot blame you for wanting to keep your head down and waiting for all this to blow over. If I’m super lucky, maybe I can do that too. I’m rather pessimistic about the future though. To be honest, I talk a big game but I’m not doing shit until/unless I know I can make a difference.
It is my opinion that even if I had a perfect plan and was able to describe it perfectly, it wouldn’t work because it requires people to work together, and to make sacrifices for others. So things will slowly continue to get worse until I get put in a work camp over not being able to keep my mouth shut.
To loop this back to the original point, no having guns is not the solution. However, it is a critical part of the larger and more nuanced solution.
The problem is that the 1/3 of americans who are actually opposed to this country being a fascist dictatorship are disorganized and scattered. You’re right, one or two or three guys with guns won’t accomplish much. Others in this thread have commented “where’s your militia?” or something like that, and it’s about time we make one.
Another problem on top of the organisation itself, it the organisation itself. How? Whatsapp? Facebook? Or any other communication you guys mostly use, which is totally in control of those you want to organize against.
You’d be eliminated as a thread before it even would become one. And not even knowing why…
I cannot blame you for wanting to keep your head down and waiting for all this to blow over. If I’m super lucky, maybe I can do that too. I’m rather pessimistic about the future though. To be honest, I talk a big game but I’m not doing shit until/unless I know I can make a difference.
I don’t want to keep my head down, I’m not in a country that is already there where you guys are. But we’re on the way though.
Pessimistic? Nah, I’m more realistic, which sadly always sounds pessimistic. The future isn’t bright as those with power won’t give it away, and those without power mostly don’t even realise where the problem is until it takes them doggystyle. raw.
And, what else are your options beside “talking big game”. The resistance you can show is literally limited to that. The USA is the land of the free. Totally and absolutely! But it was meant like in “free corpos”, not “free individuals”. And it would not be wise to “act big game” when all you achieve is your own ending (See mr. mangione). If not even that stirs shit up ENOUGH, what would? another 9/11 initiated by your own people? Even that would do nothing except harden the system AGAINST oppression even more.
IMHO capitalism already won, and it’s our own fault.
It is my opinion that even if I had a perfect plan and was able to describe it perfectly, it wouldn’t work because it requires people to work together, and to make sacrifices for others. So things will slowly continue to get worse until I get put in a work camp over not being able to keep my mouth shut.
For your own sake you should just STFU. Unless you’re totally unmonitored and big-tech-free. Sadly i have to second that. The only real way to counter the system is by throwing even MORE money at it than the opposition does. Which is already a fortune vast beyond anything even “rich” people could ever achieve or even dream of.
If you can, pack your shit and piss off. You’re speaking english perfectly, which is already a foot in the door in almost all european countries. And you sound like a nice addition. A year later you wonder why you ever went to that cesspool of a country.
To loop this back to the original point, no having guns is not the solution. However, it is a critical part of the larger and more nuanced solution.
I have no personal feeling towards guns or no-guns, i just see the figures speaking for themselves. Countries with outlawed guns are doing better. Or even countries with highly regulated guns (switzerland afaik). We had ONE school-shooter so far. gun-incidents with cops are rare, homicide with guns is rare. And overall we don’t help put even more money to those that see us as cattle.
I do see the value in being armed though. Unless everyone is armed, then it’s basically the same as when everyone just has a knife or a stone.
If I’m not willing to stick my neck out to help you when they come to take you away, who the hell will be left to do the same for me when it’s my turn?
Sure, you’re absolutely right. Be the change you want to see in the world and all…
But you fail to tell me HOW i am supposed to help your ass not being taken by ICE? Shoot the whole bunch that came to get you? (i assume those fuckers never come alone). And then other cops will take me for doing that after you are already gone? Threaten them with a gun will probably get ME killed. So what good does a gun do to anyone in that scenario?
The problem is that the 1/3 of americans who are actually opposed to this country being a fascist dictatorship are disorganized and scattered. You’re right, one or two or three guys with guns won’t accomplish much. Others in this thread have commented “where’s your militia?” or something like that, and it’s about time we make one.
I cannot blame you for wanting to keep your head down and waiting for all this to blow over. If I’m super lucky, maybe I can do that too. I’m rather pessimistic about the future though. To be honest, I talk a big game but I’m not doing shit until/unless I know I can make a difference.
It is my opinion that even if I had a perfect plan and was able to describe it perfectly, it wouldn’t work because it requires people to work together, and to make sacrifices for others. So things will slowly continue to get worse until I get put in a work camp over not being able to keep my mouth shut.
To loop this back to the original point, no having guns is not the solution. However, it is a critical part of the larger and more nuanced solution.
Another problem on top of the organisation itself, it the organisation itself. How? Whatsapp? Facebook? Or any other communication you guys mostly use, which is totally in control of those you want to organize against. You’d be eliminated as a thread before it even would become one. And not even knowing why…
I don’t want to keep my head down, I’m not in a country that is already there where you guys are. But we’re on the way though. Pessimistic? Nah, I’m more realistic, which sadly always sounds pessimistic. The future isn’t bright as those with power won’t give it away, and those without power mostly don’t even realise where the problem is until it takes them doggystyle. raw.
And, what else are your options beside “talking big game”. The resistance you can show is literally limited to that. The USA is the land of the free. Totally and absolutely! But it was meant like in “free corpos”, not “free individuals”. And it would not be wise to “act big game” when all you achieve is your own ending (See mr. mangione). If not even that stirs shit up ENOUGH, what would? another 9/11 initiated by your own people? Even that would do nothing except harden the system AGAINST oppression even more. IMHO capitalism already won, and it’s our own fault.
For your own sake you should just STFU. Unless you’re totally unmonitored and big-tech-free. Sadly i have to second that. The only real way to counter the system is by throwing even MORE money at it than the opposition does. Which is already a fortune vast beyond anything even “rich” people could ever achieve or even dream of. If you can, pack your shit and piss off. You’re speaking english perfectly, which is already a foot in the door in almost all european countries. And you sound like a nice addition. A year later you wonder why you ever went to that cesspool of a country.
I have no personal feeling towards guns or no-guns, i just see the figures speaking for themselves. Countries with outlawed guns are doing better. Or even countries with highly regulated guns (switzerland afaik). We had ONE school-shooter so far. gun-incidents with cops are rare, homicide with guns is rare. And overall we don’t help put even more money to those that see us as cattle. I do see the value in being armed though. Unless everyone is armed, then it’s basically the same as when everyone just has a knife or a stone.